THE ZELENSKYY INTERVIEW - Ukraine cannot afford for world to doubt our strength

When Russia invaded neighboring Ukraine in February 2022, the prospect of Ukraine prevailing over a much larger Russia seemed to many to be remote. But roughly two years into the war, Ukraine, buttressed by potent Western military aid, has gradually pushed back Russian forces. However, the prolonged fighting has weighed on the countries aiding Ukraine while Ukrainians have become increasingly weary of the all-consuming war.

Against the backdrop of these developments, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sat with Kyodo News and other Asian media outlets at his presidential office in the capital Kyiv in late November.

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Breakthrough in Kharkiv and Kherson

Video posted on Facebook by Ukrainian authorities

Video posted on Facebook by Ukrainian authorities

Ukrainian soldiers sit on an armoured vehicle as they drive on a road between Izium and Lyman in Ukraine, on Oct. 4, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

Ukrainians gather in downtown to celebrate the recapturing of their city Kherson, Ukraine, on Nov. 12, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

Ukrainian soldiers sit on an armoured vehicle as they drive on a road between Izium and Lyman in Ukraine, on Oct. 4, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

Natalia Pevnevy celebrates atop her car on Liberty Square following President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's surprise visit to Kherson on Nov. 14, 2022. (Getty/Kyodo)

After being on the defensive, the Ukrainian military gained the capability to mount an offensive in the summer of 2022, largely thanks to an infusion of powerful weapons from the United States and European countries.

A Ukrainian soldier stands near a damaged Russian tank in Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region of Ukraine on Oct. 4, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

A Ukrainian soldier stands near a damaged Russian tank in Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region of Ukraine on Oct. 4, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

Ukrainian soldiers take a selfie with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (C) during his visit to Kherson, Ukraine, on Nov. 14, 2022. (Ukrainian Presidential Press Office/AP/Kyodo)

Ukrainian soldiers take a selfie with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (C) during his visit to Kherson, Ukraine, on Nov. 14, 2022. (Ukrainian Presidential Press Office/AP/Kyodo)

Zelenskyy's forces took back most of the Kharkiv region in eastern Ukraine in September that year and liberated Kherson in the south two months later. The president said the two successes marked a "breakthrough."

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project

September 2022

Ukraine recaptures greater Kharkiv region 

November 2022

Ukraine liberates Kherson

June 2023

Ukrainian counteroffensive starts 

Dec. 4, 2023

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A woman reacts as she waits for a train trying to leave Kyiv, Ukraine, on Feb. 24, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

A woman reacts as she waits for a train trying to leave Kyiv, Ukraine, on Feb. 24, 2022. (AP/Kyodo)

Time not on Ukrainian side

But the Ukrainian pushback could not be sustained. Weapons were depleted, and soldiers, as well as ordinary Ukrainians, became exhausted. Zelenskyy needed to give his troops some respite and build up stockpiles of weapons and equipment. What he did not anticipate, however, was a significant delay in the arrival of weapons from Western countries.

Ukrainian counteroffensive operations started in June 2023. Had they started during the previous winter, he said, "it would have been much easier because the big defensive lines would not have been built by Russia...it would have been easier, but it is what it is." Zelenskyy added, "Time played tricks on us and was not on our side in this situation. It is very difficult to recapture the territory that is fortified."

Ill-equipped troops and Russian air superiority

The much-delayed Ukrainian counteroffensive came at a huge cost. Scores of soldiers were killed by landmines laid by Russia prior to the operations. Even as Ukrainian troops advanced cautiously, they met fierce attacks from the air.

The sky above the suburbs of Kyiv, Ukraine, is seen through the destroyed walls of a residential complex on Feb. 14, 2023. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

The sky above the suburbs of Kyiv, Ukraine, is seen through the destroyed walls of a residential complex on Feb. 14, 2023. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

A Romanian Air Force F-16 fighter jet (front) and Portuguese Air Force F-16s participate in NATO's Baltic Air Policing mission over the Baltic Sea in Lithuanian airspace on May 22, 2023. (AP/Kyodo)

A Romanian Air Force F-16 fighter jet (front) and Portuguese Air Force F-16s participate in NATO's Baltic Air Policing mission over the Baltic Sea in Lithuanian airspace on May 22, 2023. (AP/Kyodo)

The counteroffensive was complicated by "the fact that the forces were still not fully equipped with the brigades with the weapons we needed, and the total dominance of Russia in the sky," Zelenskyy said. "There is simply not enough air defense equipment. Without this, it is very difficult."

Ukraine has an ace in the hole: American-made F-16 fighter jets. But their use in actual combat is unlikely to come until the spring of 2024 or later.

A man holds his wife from behind as she grieves her son's death in Irpin in the suburbs of Kyiv on April 15, 2022. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

Photo taken in Dachne, a village outside Odesa, southern Ukraine, on July 19, 2022, shows a woman who suffered an eye injury in a blast caused by a missile attack. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

A memorial service is held for a dead soldier at Independence Square in Ukraine's capital Kyiv on June 18, 2022. (Takaki Yajima/Kyodo)

A man holds his wife from behind as she grieves her son's death in Irpin in the suburbs of Kyiv on April 15, 2022. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

A Ukrainian soldier during a training exercise in the northern Ukrainian region of Chernihiv on Feb. 2, 2023. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

A memorial service is held for a dead soldier at Independence Square in Ukraine's capital Kyiv on June 18, 2022. (Takaki Yajima/Kyodo)

No one tells Ukraine how it should end war

With no end in sight to the war, there is growing skepticism within Western countries about their continued support for Ukraine. Some people call for Kyiv to start cease-fire talks. Zelenskyy categorically rejects such calls.

"The war is here, on this territory. Why should someone tell us how to end this war?" Zelenskyy said. "I don't see any concrete proposals that anyone is offering, other than 'Please rip off your hands and give them to another person.'"

"We will not give up our territories to Russia," he added. "Without withdrawal of (Russian) troops, it makes no sense to offer us a cease-fire."

About Russian President Vladimir Putin, Zelenskyy paints an unflattering picture of a man unconstrained by convention or rules. "He is voracious and he is constantly hungry, this man from the Russian Federation. This person cannot calm down," the Ukrainian leader said, asserting that Putin's goal is to reestablish the former Soviet Union's sphere of influence, and that if Ukraine falls, "there will be other states next -- 100 percent."

A child cries after being evacuated to a subway station in Kyiv following an air raid siren on New Year's Eve in 2022. (Takuto Kaneko/Kyodo)

A woman walks by a damaged building in Izium in the eastern Ukraine region of Kharkiv on Feb. 16, 2023. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

A child cries after being evacuated to a subway station in Kyiv following an air raid siren on New Year's Eve in 2022. (Takuto Kaneko/Kyodo)

A woman walks by a damaged building in Izium in the eastern Ukraine region of Kharkiv on Feb. 16, 2023. (Kota Endo/Kyodo)

Forgotten Ukraine


In a recent public opinion survey, Ukrainians' trust in Zelenskyy stood at 76 percent, down from 91 percent in May 2022. In contrast, their trust in the military has stayed at a relatively high 94 percent.

Unity within Ukrainian society has come under strain, as indicated by reports about disagreements between the country's military and political leadership. The breakout of the Israel-Hamas war in October 2023 has added to Zelenskyy's woes.

People have turned their attention to the Middle East and "forgotten about Ukraine," Zelenskyy said. "I believe that this is exactly what the Russian Federation was trying to achieve, and I am sorry to say that they have achieved the result they wanted."

"Indescribable responsibility"

(AP/Kyodo)

(AP/Kyodo)

Zelenskyy's wife Olena Zelenska also sat for an interview the day before his.

She said her husband bears an "indescribable responsibility" as the leader of a country at war, with his duties only allowing him time to meet with their young daughter and son once or twice a week.

"He is here all the time," she said, referring to the presidential office he occupies.

War no more

Zelenskyy is not seeking a pause in combat but a complete end to an unprovoked, unjust war of invasion.

"I wouldn't want our children and grandchildren to live and grow up with the idea that there will come a time when someone will turn on 'Play' again. I would not want this war to start again," the president said. But he and the people of Ukraine have this war to fight, and win, first to reclaim a peaceful life.

"It is very difficult for us because we are fighting Russia on our land," Zelenskyy said. But "we cannot afford for the world to doubt our actions, for the world to doubt the strength of the Ukrainian people."

Content director : Kotaro Nakagawa
Line producer : Yuki Murayama
Text : Kenichi Iinuma

Photo : Yuko Nemoto, Kota Endo, Takaki Yajima, Takuto Kaneko

Text editors : Genichiro Kodama, Miya Tanaka
Photo Editor : Takuro Yabe
Video Editor : Makoto Nishimura

Translation:Daisuke Yamamoto, Kantaro Saki
Production Support : Kevin Chow, Atsushi Yokota, Janice Tang, Motoki Akamine

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